Your Opinion Doesn’t Matter Podcast
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Your Opinion Doesn’t Matter Podcast
Pencils and Purpose: Friendship, Mentorship, and Embracing Health Challenges
What if a simple pencil could forge a lifelong friendship and inspire a community? Join us as we reminisce about our childhood days and the unique bond that grew between us, Mr. Lamont and Lem, starting from a shared pencil in third grade. We discuss how this friendship evolved as we became fathers and mentors through our non-profit, Working Wonder. The power of positive mentorship and dedication is central to our story, highlighting the significant impact we can have on young lives and the importance of stepping up as role models in our community.
Reflecting on the emotional rollercoaster of losing over ten loved ones in a single year, we confront the harsh realities of grief and the urgency of prioritizing health. Our personal anecdotes bring to light the unexpected nature of loss and the critical importance of regular health check-ups. By sharing how we've drawn strength from our families, we hope to inspire listeners to embrace their health journeys and encourage open dialogues about their fears and medical evaluations.
With humor and honesty, we explore the complexities of relationships, legal challenges, and the role of finances in personal dynamics. From the intricacies of male-female friendships to the impact of sudden wealth on relationships, our discussions weave through themes of loyalty, empowerment, and communication. We touch on the legal system's racial biases and the effects of media portrayal, always stressing the importance of due process. Wrapping up with health and wellness advice, we emphasize the value of mental, physical, and emotional well-being, wishing everyone peace and blessings for the year ahead.
Welcome, welcome to the your Opinion Doesn't Matter podcast. I am one of the hosts actually the only host here, Mr Lamont, and I'm here with a good friend of mine, Lem. How are you doing, bro?
Speaker 2:Doing good, doing good, doing good. Nice, Happy to be here finally.
Speaker 1:Finally, finally, finally, finally, man, you know, our friendship goes over. Like how many decades, man? Like four, four decades.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we go far as back Almost the fifth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we go far as back, far back as when there was Manufacture Hanover Trust Bank. Our first day in class, our first week in class, you know, our parents both, both our mothers worked at the bank and they used to have these pencils.
Speaker 2:We didn't know at the time. We didn't know at the time that they worked in the same bank. Yeah, we didn't know.
Speaker 1:Only thing we knew we didn't know until after be like hey, we had a special pencil that said manufactured handover trust company, and it was black, you know, and I said I thought I was the only one with it. And then I see one on this table. I said yo, you stole that from me it's almost born to fight.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, it's almost born to fight?
Speaker 1:Yes, and that was like. What grade were you in?
Speaker 2:Third grade.
Speaker 1:Third grade man. Third grade man, third grade. It's good to see you, man, good to man. Now we have kids. Who's my daughter's in first grade? My son is in third grade. Yeah, we met nice, nice, yes. So, yeah, how's things going, man? I see, you know, I see you on the um, the, the soccer van. You're not the soccer dad. Now, right with the, with the, all the different sports, like equipment in the back trunk for your son man.
Speaker 2:It's um, it's different on this this go around than the others. I mean, I started, I became a father for the first time in my 20s and then I became. Then I had another child in my 30s and I had him in my 40s. So parenting now has been a little different for me. It's almost like I slowed down, had him later, so it was almost like he's a grandchild. I always make the joke Any child you have after 40 is your own grandchild Facts. So the way I parent him is even more hands-on. I was always hands-on, but it's even more hands-on with him because he pretty much gets a large percentage of my time. So that's a different way.
Speaker 1:For me personally, I have my first child in 40, my daughter right now, and I'm like Dad. What took me so long? I didn't join the party with y'all? Because I wasn't ready, man. The timing is everything, man. I don't regret it, no not at all.
Speaker 2:I mean, in many respects. You know, I think even before we had children, you and I, as far as what we represented in our community, we were always parenting. Oh, that's a fact. We were parenting people that were our peers facts, you know. So a lot of your time was invested in parenting people that you didn't bring into this world yeah so you know that that part of that aspect of who you are, you know you were a father before you had a child right, right.
Speaker 1:so one of the things that um he's um referring to slightly is, um, the non-profit that we started in 2009, um called working wonder, starting home, and and um, that was a. That was a journey in itself, um, from tutoring and then um 2008, then for two years and then then 2010,. We started with the basketball and then this is when we really started having them be fathers for these kids man Kids coming to the program. Out of so many kids, only two fathers ever showed. It was only mothers, matter of fact, a lot of them would just come to the park. It's like nobody dropped them off, maybe a few mothers sprinkled here and there, but we basically had to, um, ask them how they doing in school and so forth and so on, and um, and really care about their well-being right, right.
Speaker 2:Well, what was happening is the thing is, uh, people will be magnetized to that. So people see you in the park with kids. It happens now and it's just me and my son. I'm working out with my son. You'll have other children come over or sometime parents and you're a coach, like I'm just really working out with my son at this point, and once people see that kind of positive energy and you're working with children, they're magnetized to it. Yeah, and I think that's what was happening when that program first started. They see a couple kids and they see two gentlemen navigating or teaching them anything the floodgates is open, exactly so floodgates is open, it became that kind of situation yeah, it was.
Speaker 1:It was a learning experience. It's a learning experience, man. We, um, we learned a lot from that and you know, and you learn, you learn some things, things like okay, these kids are not mindful about the time that we put in, that, they don't believe. A lot of times they don't respect it. Because I look back and I'm like we had a group of kids from 2010 to 2014, 15. And once they started going into high school certain things like that and once they started going into high school certain things like that and I'm like they knew I know they probably was aware that another group of kids is coming in, I was like, dang, none of them came back and checked for us. None of them came back and checked for us. And I'm like, wow, we was there for them, driving them to games.
Speaker 1:I remember I was driving these kids to go for a workout for college and my truck broke down and we are like I'm talking about no brakes and we're like cruising like the Flintstones with the car. We're just going slow, slow, slow, slow, and then you know the stuff that we went through, man, and you know, but anyway, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't change that. I wouldn't change that man, I wouldn't change that. But right now I'm um volunteer at um Kings Bay youth organization. I've been there 12 years. You know doing my thing there 12 years. Um, you know where my nephew? He started at five. Now he's 17, he's 17 and um, he quit on me for us with basketball. I mean, but these kids don't understand, is that? It's that we want you? We want you to do this so you could get a scholarship but that's the thing is man and that's the.
Speaker 2:That's the disconnect, like when with us, when we were coming up, there was a generational gap between us and our parents. Right, that was more or less the disconnect with us and the parents. It was a generational gap. Now the disconnect is a sense of entitlement. These kids, like you said, they didn't, they didn't pay homage or they didn't show respect, and come back. It's because they think they're entitled to our time, whereas we knew we didn't get much time from parents. Parents didn't even listen to children.
Speaker 2:People didn't really help you with homework you know they'll ask you if you did it. We sit and do homework with these kids, we give them our time and in many respects they have a self of entitlement. You know there's a lot of different factors as to why you know the internet, all of these things that are instant gratifications. It changes the mentality of the child.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So now, with that sense of entitlement, you know you take things for granted right, that's a fact. Whereas with us we would have wanted people to be in our corner. We eventually had coaches and people that were in our corner, that supported us, but not every step of the way, like a parent. You see how we're parenting differently. Now we're every step of the way with these kids, from homework to every basketball game, when we were playing ball.
Speaker 2:What happened? Nothing. We had to go to the train. We would be in Manhattan, queens, staten Island, the Bronx, long Island in one day. Three, four games, different places on the trains. Now, with our kids, we're like, just get in the car, we're going to drive them to these games. I just went with my son to Pennsylvania, I went to Maryland. I'm driving him back and forth to his games.
Speaker 1:And that type of support we didn't get. Yeah, I'll come up. We didn't. We didn't get. We didn't get that support me and you was. We played together in the on the in the chicklet chicklet league, that's what I call it me um. He's playing in um junior high school, um where you said lindsey park, clavers, um um name some other I just gave. I just gave this joke.
Speaker 2:I gave my wife this joke the other day because I said when we first played Flood, our first coach, he drove us to Williamsburg, to Lindsay Park, williamsburg, greenpoint area. And I remember like two, three weeks in he called us and was like I can't meet you guys, because I have another game. You're going to have to get there on the bus. And I called you and I said Mark, we got to take the 44. You said who? I ain't going over there. If blood ain't picking us up, I ain't going. You eventually went, but that's another conversation. Williamsburg today was not williamsburg then oh, no way at that point, williamsburg, there was missing street lights.
Speaker 2:You had to be out of there before it got dark yeah not this gentrified monster we see now it's totally different surroundings than it was back then yeah, and.
Speaker 1:And the difference then for us with ball is like we had a different level of hunger coming up, like you know, like when the parks like, say, if it was raining, we would literally bring a broom to the park. Like, say, and then you know, sweep the floor to play, or if it was snowing, we'll take a shovel and we'll. And this is facts, kids, nowadays, it'd be a beautiful day, they're not outside, they're not out. It's not like it's Cali, like the weather's so humid.
Speaker 2:They'll be in a gym. We played ball with gloves on. Yeah, played ball where I couldn't find, I couldn't feel my fingers. Yeah, shoveled snow. Played in the rain. Yeah, winter coats on, whatever it took to get out there and play, and not to mention our favorite court was full of glass and rubble. Right right, right right you was maneuvering through glass and rubble to play basketball. You know just a different desire to get better.
Speaker 1:And the options was to have football. We was playing football, played football as well. Remember that guy who used to come and just throw the baseball the toe. That toe lights can do it oh, yeah, oh man I'm oh, he played. He was the only one I seen.
Speaker 2:Actually was like yeah, practicing, practicing practicing, practicing, practicing man and homeboy who passed away recently to donovan oh, yeah, donovan donovan donovan was him and Donovan. What's that brother's name?
Speaker 1:I forgot his name. He's pretty tall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was with Dexter and Aunt Foreman and them. They was also baseball players.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, okay, yeah, man. So, man, I'll fast forward. Man, this has been a rough year for this year to go. Man, I don't need this year to. I don't want to say go, I just can't wait to. I don't even know the proper words.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, you know what it is, what it is. This was a real. This year took a toll on us emotionally. You know me in particular. I lost over 10 people this year and when we were young know people would be dying by by the gun right and that was tragic. Obviously, to go through that kind of turmoil and those kind of uh situations where people just pass away right away now it's a little bit different yeah.
Speaker 2:We got older, you know the street stuff is out the way. But now people are dying because of health reasons. Health reasons.
Speaker 2:Not taking care of yourself. Not in all predicaments did that happen. Some were health related, some was just due to age sickness. Whatever you know contributed to your body just giving up um. So it's even more of a reason to to be real conscious of that. Your diet, your health, you know what you're putting into your body exercise, all of those things are factors that are becoming a real, you know, real necessity at this age yeah, I mean because you know I was, I was trying to get out of 2023.
Speaker 1:I was like tag, let me get it all. Because I I went through my health scale, you know, with my lungs, um, bilateral lung lung condition, um blood clots in both my lungs, and um I was like dang, I gotta get out of it. And then, soon as the new year started, then boom, another friend and another, then another friend, then another friend, but the one that really really really get to me now like still is Clinton. That right, there is like that blow.
Speaker 2:That was a tough one. That was a real tough one because and that's to tell you how the human body works right and, by all appearances, the outside shell of him. He looked like he in top physical condition right. Working out all the time. Six pack abs body looks fit from the outside, but it's still important to get your inside checked.
Speaker 1:You gotta go see, listen, you gotta. What's that colonoscopy? Yeah, the colonoscopy. Yo, you know why. What's that colonoscopy?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the colonoscopy.
Speaker 1:Yo, you know why I just did mine, probably like two years ago. You know what's so bugged out, why I never did it? I thought that you would have to be awake for that to happen. I thought you had to be awake. I said hold on, hold on, hold on. I said hold on, hold on, hold on, you're going to put a tube in my butt and I'm up. Oh no, bro. I said no. I said that's why I didn't do it.
Speaker 2:You thought she had to be up. I thought I had to be up. I thought I had to be awake. That's something else. That ain't a procedure. That's something else that ain't a procedure.
Speaker 1:That's a procedure that is more than an enema. That's something, that's another level right there, kid oh man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, that is some funny stuff.
Speaker 1:And as soon as I said oh word, you don't. I was like oh, shoot man.
Speaker 2:That's a serious thing, you know. I did one some years ago. I have another one coming up in January. You know it's not the most pleasant thing, even though you're knocked out. The prep before it is a little difficult. But the seriousness of colon cancer cannot go without. You know, attention. You know one of our pioneers in the hip-hop world just passed away from colon cancer Clark Kent, clark Kent. Clark Kent passed away. So many other people we know passed away. A couple of close friends of ours Rest in peace to our close, close homie who passed from that man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man.
Speaker 2:Nigel Nigel Giltz.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, nigel Scooty passed away. Our boy, raj passed away. Clint passed away. Man, the thing about Clint passing away, man, I didn't feel that much pain until like that. It took me back to 2016, when my mom passed. I think about him. I was thinking about him every day for, like this happened seven months ago. I was thinking about him every day for like two months straight and every other day I was like I'm like I be thinking about him a lot. I be thinking about him a lot. That's like a lot. That's like a. That's a blow and a. You know, honestly, some only only thing that I I I could compensate over, um, overcompensate for, is that I have my daughter to love. Right, you know what I'm saying. So it's like, um, her love is gonna shine, shine through and help me through all these different things. And you know my family, my family, my fiance, you know my stepson and stuff like that. But you know, but, um, the thing is about we got to keep pushing, pushing on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's important. You know they say like, in order to first face any adversity, the best thing to do is to pour into your loved ones, especially your kids, you know they give you a different type of focus at this point.
Speaker 2:And, um, as much as friends as we lost, there's new life coming into existence, right, yeah, and um, it's just important to savor those memories, you know, uh, don't be afraid to talk about it like we're talking about health situations of these same people that passed away. If we put the message out there for those preventative measures, then it can help someone else so their lives are not in vain, you know. So it's important to still discuss the matter in which they pass, and how can we do as a, what we can do as a community, to help with preventative measures.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, people out there go see the doctor man, don't be scared of the doctor man, absolutely Don't be scared of the doctor man. But yeah, man, moving along, moving along, man. What's your thoughts, man? A lot of things going on in the news, man. You know your boy, you know the ditty parties. I don't know, did you go to any of them, ditty parties? Did you go to any of them, ditty parties? I didn't go to any ditty parties.
Speaker 1:We went to hundreds and hundreds of parties. I didn't go to any ditty parties, I'm for sure I didn't head up for that, not that way.
Speaker 2:No baby oil.
Speaker 1:No, none of that man.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I'll I'm not defending any of his actions or anything like that, but I have to be honest in the fact that the way he's being crucified white men in this position don't get crucified that way Right, If we look at it, all of these guys that were accused of predatory actions they got bailed.
Speaker 1:Why is he not getting bailed them two guys from? Yeah, they got bail, let's think not getting bailed them two guys from.
Speaker 2:Let's think about it. He deserves bail, even if he is guilty, give him bail not if he got at them kids, I'm not talking about kids, man, I'm just talking about the legal system. It shouldn't be altered for a black man.
Speaker 1:Good for the geese. Let this man get his bail and allow him for a black man. Yeah, for the geese. It's good for the goose.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's supposed to be let this man get his bail and allow him the opportunity to defend himself. I'm not defending any of his alleged actions. Yeah, Because at this point it's alleged actions. Alleged yeah, right.
Speaker 1:The Cassie thing is not alleged, though he kicked ass yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a domestic dispute. He's not alleged, though he kicked ass.
Speaker 1:No, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a domestic dispute, yeah, but even a man that's in a domestic situation like that is granted bail, right Right. If it's a white man, he's granted bail, right Right. So you know, as far as that's concerned, we'll let the legal system pan that out. But I just think it's unfortunate that things are catered differently when it comes to a black man. What's?
Speaker 1:your thoughts when you heard about fly chicken man. They could look at that as sex trafficking and shit.
Speaker 2:That's so crazy.
Speaker 1:I'm like yo, I've been doing that, nah, man.
Speaker 2:Listen once it's not underage man. If it's too consenting adults, then I can't see that as being that. You know those things become that when you're in the public light and you are in the public light and you're affluent in the public light, you know, regardless to what it is like. I don't know the specifics, I guess we'll find that out legally, but but at the end of the day, when you are in the public light and you're and you have money, you are a target because you know, you know what I'm, what, how they, how they making it look is like that um sex trafficking.
Speaker 1:Even if it's a prostitute, she's of age, she's a prostitute, they still consider that sex trafficking. But I don't know if the intention of sex crossing state lines.
Speaker 2:But if it's a consenting adult and they're crossing state lines to partake in sex voluntarily, I don't see how it's sex trafficking. I mean the girl could say no, Well, that's when it becomes sex trafficking If it's against their will.
Speaker 1:No, I mean no If you're paid for service. I believe that's how they're spinning it. They're spinning it in a way sex trafficking, because it's a different type of thing. If it's kids, it's not called sex.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right. I don't know what it's called. No, it's called sex trafficking if it's children too. It's like, but they're raising it Paid for a service right that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:They they remixing it to fit for puffy, like all right this is what you gave these chicks a birkin bag. This is what.
Speaker 2:This is what I'm trying to say, yeah, this is what I'm trying to say because of who he is. Yeah, this public figure with a lot of money, it becomes that. But when you pose the initial statement or question, you said well, can it be considered that if we flew a woman out and took her shopping, she knew what she was doing, right? So, with that being said, it's hard. That's where it becomes a legal matter. Right now you have to. You have to get the definitions of these laws and see how it's. Specifically, he violated these people's rights or he partaked in prostitution across state lines, right?
Speaker 1:so at that point it's a legal matter yeah, but you know, and they pulling your boy jay-z in man jay-z, and it's a minor it's a minor well, that's the thing, man, these are all allegations, but then you know.
Speaker 2:You know what he's saying, you know it's a mind this is. Well, that's the thing, man. These are all allegations, but then you know.
Speaker 1:You know what he's saying, you know it's allegations, but but what, um, I think in the statement or somebody was saying, is that listen, how, um, how do you sue first? If it's a crime, it's a crime. How do you sue a person first? This is exactly. And then go from 20 years ago. You sued recently a couple months ago but then now you want, now you want to do criminal civil.
Speaker 2:You had to think that. You know I hate to use this terminology that the sharks were going to come in the water, because these guys have money and it's civil cases that are turning into criminal cases.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, so they start off civilly. So civil is cases, yeah Right, so they start off civilly.
Speaker 1:So civil is money yeah.
Speaker 2:It became criminal because now the DAs is going to be like wait, there's a lawsuit for this, let's follow up. Is the statute of limitations over on this case? So that's what's going to happen, but a lot of it was spawned by money man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, a lot of it was spawned.
Speaker 2:My money I'm not saying these individuals weren't taken advantage of, but the premise of what's happening now is spawned for the actual money part of it.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, and speaking about money right, we pivoted into another situation. I'm going to ask you a question Is it okay for your women to have conversations with men at a bar? Do you think it's? How do you? What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2:uh, you know, I think you. Well, they don't know, but I think you know my perspective on this. I'm a secure individual. So if my mother, my um mother, mother, sister, wife, whoever the case may be, is having a conversation with someone with the opposite sex, I'm not intimidated by that, depending on the circumstance. I'm not intimidated by someone buying my wife a drink and her accepting it. We're all adults, right, we're all adults. If I try to monitor a woman's actions, then I'm an insecure man. That should be left up to her to make the decision on the surround.
Speaker 2:Now I'm not saying a guy's coming up and making sexual advances on her immediately and hey, take a drink, and he and you know what comes with the drink. Not that kind of behavior. I'm talking about the behavior in which she's just having a conversation with another person who has good energy, just like her. He offers her a drink. They're having a conversation with another person who has good energy, just like her. He offers her a drink. They're having a conversation, they're conversing. I see no, no problem in that yeah, I do.
Speaker 1:You have a problem in that I got a problem with that. I think, look, look, how we was, no, no, no, we got it how you were. You too, hold on, I'm saying I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about when we was in our 20s, no, but what I'm saying is, even with that being said, not every conversation. So this is what we're going to talk about now. Men, I was having this conversation the other day. I think it's a challenge. A woman should have a challenge with men that don't have platonic female friends. Say it again women should be have a challenge being with a man who doesn't have any platonic female friends.
Speaker 1:Oh so you, oh so you know why I say that so you're saying oh say, let me, let me clear it up for the own people. So you're saying is that, um, a woman should look at a man bugged out if he doesn't have no female friends?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, you know why? Because I don't think anybody, man or woman, that doesn't have platonic friends of the opposite sex is a well-rounded, complete individual. How do you not? How do you now not accept the other gender into your life to get perspective, analysis and understanding, and also for for your conversations not to be sexually driven? It's, it's imperative that man or woman have opposite sex platonic friends. That's the only way you're complete. If not, you're looking at everything one-sided.
Speaker 1:So you're saying okay, if you're like, say me right now, and my fiance? So I'm supposed to be able to be like. Hey, she's talking to her homeboy on the phone, what's up?
Speaker 2:Well, she can. I'm not saying it has to be the type of relationship that's an everyday conversation, but in order for her to get perspective, she should have some sort of male friend, whether it be befriending one of your friends.
Speaker 1:So hold on. The only way she could gather perspective is by talking.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:No, I don't want her to get.
Speaker 2:No, you see, you're insecure.
Speaker 1:It's not about me being insecure. Yes, you're insecure.
Speaker 2:It's not about me being insecure. Yes, you are insecure. There's a reason why I'm saying that. Right, how, if she needs to discuss a matter, right, there's certain things that she needs to discuss and get a male's perspective in order to understand you, I get it and understand you Right. Where's she getting that from? She's not going to get it from you. I'll tell you where she needs an objective point of view.
Speaker 1:I tell you where, where A therapist.
Speaker 2:No, that's still not A therapist. That's the objective, but that's internal.
Speaker 1:She needs Listen to why I'm saying that no, no, I hear you, I hear you A therapist can help her work through her problems.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, it's still good for her to be able to bounce stuff off. It doesn't have to be an external male friend. It could be an uncle, it can be a brother. But I'm just saying, but those are platonic friends. So even if it's different, even if it's not someone in the family, because they're also subjective, so they might not be given an objective view, right talking to an uncle, that's see, this is why I'm trying to say he's gonna favor, he to favor the niece.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:And even if it's and that's what I'm saying Even if, like I have friendships with some of my friends' wives that are obviously platonic, they're like sisters to me, right. When they come to me and they come to me and we're having discussions, I know I try my best to be objective, but I am still subjective because I'm not going to tell them, even if I believe it to be true, you need to get out of that situation. I won't do that because I'm subjective. I'm going to say, listen, I want you guys to work, because I love both parties. So that's why I'm still too internal, even though I'm objective, and I'll go and tell and talk to a friend or talk to a cousin and tell them yo, listen, you messing up, but I'm still subjective. Sometimes they need an objective person.
Speaker 1:That's when the therapist come in for me.
Speaker 2:No, that's therapy is internal work.
Speaker 1:A therapist can't tell her what to do when it's regarding you, so how can how can I mean how can another man tell her what to do with regards to me? I'm not saying he has to tell her what to do in regards to me.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying that he has to tell her what to do, but to get a perspective.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but why a therapist can't give a perspective A male therapist?
Speaker 2:I don't think a therapist's function is for that. A therapist's function is not to be someone's friend.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's why it would be more objective, because they don't have no skin in the game. You could have a better. They'll be like they cannot. They don't know him, they don't know her.
Speaker 2:So they're going to give you therapeutic advice in a one-hour session.
Speaker 1:No I mean and not a friendship. Monty, I get what you're saying. All right, so I'm going to give you. So let's redirect this.
Speaker 2:You're saying it needs to be more intimate in order for it to mean more let's get, let's. Let's strip it back down to what we when we started this conversation. Do you agree or disagree that it's important for a man, because this is what I really mean by this. We go on a tangent Men who have female friends, platonic female friends. There's a, there's a purpose for that in life, one being to get a female perspective on thing without a sexual element. You know why that's important to us, why you think that might be important to men I don't know.
Speaker 2:You tell me, I have so so sex is, the is not the only thing that drives us to have a relationship with women, if we can conquer that and no, this is just a woman who's platonic, I'm not even looking at her in this way that controls not only just our sexual energy, the energy, the need to control women, and that's what we're talking about here. Trying to control people because she wants to have a drink with a man All of these things is control over women. In order to eliminate that control and to put them on an equal playing field is viewing them just like you view a male friend, and that's why these kinds of relationships are so important to evolving as a person. How you view women, how you treat women, how you maneuver around women. That's why you know there's so many men out here. Honestly, that's why I get along so well with females, right, and me getting into a relationship or meeting women have never been that much of a challenge as other men, because I don't have to walk over and try to kick it to you or talk to, because I have platonic female friends, straight platonic.
Speaker 2:Some of these female friends I was with, I had relationships with them so I could see the fear of what men feel like man. What if she was with him before intimately? So what? There's women that I have been with intimately, that I've attended their weddings and their husbands know it depends on how you are and how you maneuver as a person. Bro, you can have a like my wife. Right not to air you out, but that's to tell you how it's important to evolve as a person.
Speaker 2:My wife had relationship with a person I know, right, he's, he's a friend of mine. I don't feel any way about that. In all actuality I'm. He's a nice guy because I know him personally. But some men can't get past that because they're worried about their position in a woman's life. You shouldn't be concerned with that and I'm not saying that past don't matter at all. But guess what? How many? I'll say this right, because it could go both ways.
Speaker 2:I'll say this right, because it could go both ways. There's people that we've been with and women have been with that our mates would be like, really, you was with that person, right? As opposed to knowing yo. That dude was a cool dude or that's a nice girl. I could see why y'all was together. And it also deals with how that relationship was built. I'm not talking about. You know they had each other in the bathroom stall once. You know you might not want to know about that. I'm talking about where someone actually cared for the person you was with right, and there's friendship because it's friendship and nothing more. But all of those things are entities based on what I'm talking about being able to know that there's a friendship from the opposite sex, it changes your mentality about that sex, bro.
Speaker 2:It just does. It's psychological.
Speaker 1:I believe in a clean canvas.
Speaker 2:What does that mean?
Speaker 1:That means that, okay, my past is my past, your past is your past. And listen, listen and listen. I say only only male friends she have, they gotta be gay. That's it. This is impossible, it's impossible to have, and and I'm gonna tell you. Let me tell you why. Let me tell you why because I went through a situation before the girl had her um her shoulder to cry on, which is a close friend.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we know those things happen. And then what happened?
Speaker 1:And then you know boom bam, boom no.
Speaker 2:Yes, but we know those things happen, those things happen.
Speaker 1:So listen, you eliminate it. You eliminate it.
Speaker 2:No, but you never do. That's the thing. My uncle gave me a story once, right. He told me.
Speaker 1:Rest in peace. Yeah, rest, rest in peace, uncle Gaz.
Speaker 2:He was one of the most prolific, intelligent, you know wise men that I ever knew, he said. He said, nephew, let me give you the story about this woman. He said this woman's husband used to bring her to work every day, pick her up from work every day. You know when he?
Speaker 1:she horn him at lunchtime because you can't stop somebody no matter what precautions you put in or barriers you put in, people gonna find a way to do what they want to do, but don't you, but don't you believe in lower the probability, like say this no, if you have.
Speaker 2:You know how. You know how you lower the probability? No, you have to. You know how you know how you lower the probability? No, no, by being a well-rounded mate In general, we're being wise because think about it.
Speaker 1:Say there's a highway, You're not going to take a chance and just run it across. You're going to figure it out. Okay, I can't do it here.
Speaker 2:Oh, this car because things is going fast. Oh, this, that and the third, you're not going to just jump out there. You got a plan and you got to make sure things is right before you go across that street. Absolutely. And you know what that's called Work within your home. That's you and her having an open, honest conversation about life and fulfilling every single aspect of that. That means mind, body and soul. I hear you, bro. If you fulfill all of those and there's an open line of communication in your relationship, there's a less likelihood of that happening. And let me tell you something we don't own anybody's sexuality.
Speaker 1:No way, and they don't own ours, right.
Speaker 2:So, by that being said, even if problems arise in a relationship and an individual comes, either man or woman, and say listen, man, things are getting tough, things are rocky right now. What do we do to put it back on track? If there's no movement or direction positively, then there's another conversation that needs to be had. Yo, this is making me feel a certain way and I'm looking at other people. Right, I'm talking about healthy, even when things are deteriorating, right, still, having a healthy relationship to have a conversation, right, right, you're talking about. What I believe you're saying is like yo, I want to limit this from happening, this from happening. You can't limit that. The only thing you could do is have a healthy enough relationship for your partner to express to you when there's discontent and they want the relationship to get better and, if it's not, to tell you is deteriorating, eliminating obstacles in the form of woman or man.
Speaker 1:You, can't do that. I'm going to just say I'm not over the top bugged out or nothing like that. I don't go through phones. She don't go through my phone.
Speaker 2:I get it.
Speaker 1:We have a cool relationship. I don't even. It's not like what I'm saying, it's like I tell her oh, you got to cut your friends off. No, no, I get you, she's'm in a place where I got my own thing going on. I do have a couple of friends, and the friends that she do have happen to be gay because she's a hair stylist.
Speaker 2:No, because she's a hair stylist and her coworkers are you know, Do you have platonic female friends? Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1:And they know her. Yeah, but what I'm saying? But I don't, I would never go to them and ask their opinion for her. I would never do it. I would never do it.
Speaker 2:Well, you don't have to ask. I don't even want their perspective.
Speaker 1:I won't even want their perspective, because you know what the worst kind of perspective is a perspective from a person who's not even in that situation.
Speaker 2:No, it depends on what you see. I'm not talking about discussing massively intimate details, right? I'm talking about perspectives Because intimate details, right? I'm talking about perspectives because, dude, we grew up in a chauvinistic world, man, and I'm not even talking about just the world world I'm talking about in our communities, in the western community. We grew up chauvinistic. We're victims of that, you and I. So some of our perspectives are distorted, like the one we're currently discussing right now, because you have a distorted perspective, man. You don't really, uh, let the viewers decide. Um, you have a distorted perspective in the sense that you're saying your wife, your woman, can't have any male friends unless they're gay. No, I said.
Speaker 2:Well, you know I'm kind of extreme, right, I mean it just so what I'm saying to you no, no, whatever what it is, I'm not shunning you. No, I'm saying that's your perspective. No, no, no what.
Speaker 1:I said I mean, listen, listen, If I'm getting into a relationship, right, but I've been with her for years. So it's a different type of ballgame with her. Me and her started as friends. We was friends for years and got into a relationship. So it's different. This is a whole different thing. If I'm a like I say I'm starting a new relationship, I don't even want to talk like that. But anyway, Joe Blow is having a new relationship and next thing, you know, he meets this woman but she has 10 guy friends Come on man.
Speaker 2:That's excessive, bro yeah but listen, come on.
Speaker 1:No, you're going to a ridiculous point now, but hold on. So what's?
Speaker 2:the difference between two and 10? No, but it depends on the nature of the relationship.
Speaker 1:But you're trying to be excessive you're trying to say I'm 10 guys joe blows so what's the difference between if it's platonic, it's platonic. What's the difference?
Speaker 2:no, that's fine that's fine, but I I see what you're, where you're going with this 10 friends, she might have 10 friends. Right, she might have 10 friends. Yo listen, it depends on. First of all, let me explain this and let's this, and let's be very candid and I'm trying to get to the nitty gritty of this.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:A lot of these things have to do with how big a person's circle is. If you have somebody that is an individual that's extremely worldly and has a wide network of individuals, let's say within their environment, their business environment, their world, they're going to have 10 friends. I'm not saying that you the friendship, I'm saying you don't have to talk to them every day.
Speaker 1:Let me clear it up. When I'm saying she shouldn't have male friends, her male friends is that no, you're not calling them. You're not calling them to say, hey, I got a problem with my man and and I want, I want, I want your point of view on that. No, I don't want her to have none of that. No, that time. But she got male friends. Of course you got male friends. She probably got friends, I don't know. But let me make that clear. I'm talking about also.
Speaker 2:No, also but also listen when I said that initially. It's not I'm saying, every time you get a problem, your wife, your woman, calls a man. That's not what I'm saying, because your relationship should you should have the type of relationship where communication is so clear that you really have to go to the outside. I said for perspective.
Speaker 1:I said for perspective yeah, but I didn't say how do you get a perspective if, without you don't get a perspective from the air? You get a perspective from a conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying you don't, but how is, how is, but not every single time is this person reaching out to someone.
Speaker 1:If something, if you're going through a deep situation right with your woman but before she was your wife and it's something real deep with you and her, would it be all right for her to gain a perspective talking to another, another guy you don't even know about?
Speaker 2:see, but see, no, now you're talking about you don't know about. I mean a friend, yeah, but that friend could be someone that I know about as well, but a friend, remember, I might know what I'm saying it before you got married.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't care.
Speaker 2:Honestly, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't care, I wouldn't you know what, maybe my, maybe when to listen we're both entitled to because they're going to be people that agree with both of us.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:When it comes to me personally, I don't care. I really don't care, because I don't look at that as a threat, because my level of communication with my woman, if she wants to go outside the relationship, I'm kind of going to gather that already. I'm going to kind of know that already.
Speaker 1:But it's not about that, it's not about her.
Speaker 2:So where's the threat?
Speaker 1:It's not about her intentions, right, it's not about her intentions.
Speaker 2:It's about his intentions. Yes, so you want to be in control of other men's intentions?
Speaker 1:No, it's not about control. You don. It's not about control. You don't want people to be put in certain situations now like, say, like me and my woman having a problem right um, you started off.
Speaker 2:You started off with a drink, right? So you, you said putting, she's putting herself in a position by accepting a drink from somebody, right? That's that's putting herself in a position um, yes, that is no, it's not.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is to me, to me, it is no, it's not.
Speaker 2:They're not having a drink at 3 am in his apartment.
Speaker 1:No, we're talking about in a bar. What I'm saying is to me personally, because you know why I look at that. You know why I look at that? Because I won't do it, you're doing all right. No, what I'm saying is that mentality, that mentality.
Speaker 2:How much?
Speaker 1:women. We bucked up on that, had men and then a conversation from a drink to how much time that doesn't happen?
Speaker 2:yeah, of course, but those guys weren't in real relationships with those women man how do you know what you mean?
Speaker 1:how do I know?
Speaker 2:how can you say because she was too susceptible at that point. All right for me and invulnerable right so now the vulnerability is is based on the relationship she has with that current person, not Not her vulnerability.
Speaker 1:Did you hear this thing? This guy says listen, your woman is only single to circumstance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but that's. I know what he's saying.
Speaker 1:She's single to circumstance.
Speaker 2:So we could go and talk about that movie. You remember the movie with Woody Harrelson and Demi Moore? Indecent Proposal, yeah, indecent Proposal. Indecent proposal okay, yes, that can happen with some people, to circumstance, yeah, but with some people, right, but there's, but there's a lot of people that don't have a price tag man, there's a lot of people that don't there's a lot of people who don't look at what happened in what happened in the movie, because that's probably that the odds of that happening is highly likely, right when they accept that.
Speaker 2:Yes, when they accept that money. The money it almost was devil money. It destroyed that relationship, right? People hit the lotto. There's a show on. I was flipping through the channels a few months back. I had seen it before. The lottery ruined my life. That's the name of the show People that hit the lottery. A man hit the lottery. He hit millions. His granddaughter committed suicide in his house, his grandson OD'd. You know all of these things that came with that abundance of money like that, right? So I understand your point saying the person is as loyal as their options. That's really what the thing is is as loyal as their options. That's really what the thing is. As loyal as their options, yeah, so if they could, if she could upgrade you and and and and get 10 million dollars.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you something oh, no, no, let me tell you something. What 10 million dollars you sending your? You sending your woman there? I'm not that listen I'm not that, so I I'm not that, I'm not selling my woman.
Speaker 2:but let me tell you something Hold on.
Speaker 1:Let's make this clear, Yo listen to me Wait, wait, wait. So if there was an indecent proposal For $10 million For $10 million.
Speaker 2:Baby, let's get that bread and let's get out of here. Okay, you know why? Because I'm not an insecure dude how you Yo, somebody was with her before you.
Speaker 1:bro, Wait a minute. So what is it? I don't understand. It's about insecurity. If she wants to do that and she wants- to get a $10 million. Let's do it. Okay, so let's do it. So what do you mean by? Oh, you looking at being insecure?
Speaker 2:Bro, let's not get into this, because $10 million is changing people's lives.
Speaker 1:Right, right, right right. I'm sorry, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't send my woman there. That's not being insecure.
Speaker 2:That's not being insecure, okay, see it's easy to say that.
Speaker 1:Now you see what you're saying.
Speaker 2:It's easy to say that now.
Speaker 1:It's easy to say that now you probably want a contract where you guarantee money. No, what you talking about?
Speaker 2:We're supposed to leave you right after that. So be it then, but I know that's not what's happening.
Speaker 2:You see, that's to tell you how secure I am, oh boy, that's to tell you how secure I am. That's how secure I am and it's not. See, the security doesn't come from only piping down because obviously Right, but it goes beyond that. Like sex used to be the thing that drived everything, right, yo, she ain't leaving here because of sex. Sex don't keep things together. Love don't keep things together. Security, emotion none of those factors keep things together by itself. It's a combination of them all put together that makes the relationship.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. When we were kids, when we were younger and we were kids, you having good sex, you could hold on to somebody. That ain't happening. No more Sex. Don't just pay the bills Right. Love don't just pay the bills.
Speaker 2:I've seen relationships where people were in love with each other and't just pay the bills. Love don't just pay the bills. I've seen relationships where people were in love with each other and finances came in the way, emotion came in the way, certain things came in the way. So all of those things collectively in a soup, in a stew, is what keeps the relationship going and where trust builds and all of those things build Communication being one. There'll be a time, man and it's not too far off in the horizon, where stuff stopped working, bro. Not for me. Personally, I'm good, but all them cats was taking Viagra young and didn't need to. What about when you need it, right? So I'm saying that because that's the element that everybody's going to be faced with at some point where, sexually, you may not be having sex with your mate no more. What's going to keep them there to wipe your ass, yeah, when you're dying?
Speaker 1:yeah right, have you ever used um one of the pills before? No, I never had to. No, I didn't say you had to, I said have you did it?
Speaker 2:I did. I did it once for fun, yeah right the wild thing is, when I did it, I didn't even have sex.
Speaker 1:So you just whacked off.
Speaker 2:No, I shot myself in the foot. I took the pill. I was drinking, took the pill, said something crazy, ruined my night and I ain't getting no sex. I was walking around just hard oh, for 12 hours, oh shit cause you know, we can shoot ourselves in the foot. That's another thing.
Speaker 1:I took one of those one time. I never was somebody that needed.
Speaker 2:I didn't need it, so it was just vice. But the guys, the young guys, and I preached to the young guys cause, like you know for and I preach to the young guys because for years I was hanging, going different places throughout the world and these young guys I'm with they, taking Viagra and all this I'm like young dudes, man Word Not needing it. And I used to tell these dudes yo y'all messing with all that stuff, and when y'all really need it, when y'all get older, it's not going to work for you because your body's going to be immune to it.
Speaker 1:But like I mean, like. I mean like if you're saying it going away, you're talking about like DR and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, yeah, but like but why why? Do you need to run a marathon with these, with these type of chicks Needing it? Dudes got egos right. They want to have sex nonstop. So they taking these pills and they young. So I'm like, when y'all get older and y'all need for it to work, your body's going to be immune to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going to go numb Right. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, anyway, I say that, to say that when it comes to a relationship, there comes a time where you know the other things in your relationship is supposed to be the glue. Other aspects of the relationship got to be the glue of it, right, that's friendship, camaraderie, love.
Speaker 1:Are we still talking about the indecent proposal?
Speaker 2:No, so that has something to do with it, because what I'm getting at is Will the woman respect the man after he did that?
Speaker 2:It depends on the relationship. There's many Yo, it's happened before. No, I'm just asking Okay, so check this out, the reason why I'm going to say that is All right. There is a major difference by saying, okay, she's going to accept $10 million to have sex with a man, but there's guys that get past it for free. Their woman has an affair and they stay together, right, for no money. Is she not supposed to respect him after she had an affair? Because we could look at it like a disrespect. An affair isn't a fair disrespect. Right, of course, all right. So if you accepting that disrespectful act for free, you ain't going to accept it for $10 million.
Speaker 1:It's different than being a willing participant.
Speaker 2:Dude, you was a willing participant. When you didn't show her the respect she deserved, you knew you could get horned right. I'm not saying either here nor there. You know I was joking when I said I'm just sending a. I'm joking, but I'm not joking. Yeah, only because it's not that I'm selling my wife man like I said, we're speaking figuratively.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a business opportunity we're speaking figuratively right right figuratively, in the sense that who's posing you that question? Right Anyway. But see, this is where it gets a little hairy, because when you put yourself, when you have these type of conversations, you put yourself in this kind of situation, some people will take offense. Right, how did he say that? He said he would do that and all of that. That also shows something in their relationship. Like my woman's going to hear this, you think she's going to be pissed off. No, it's because of the nature of our relationship and the relationship we have. I'm allowed to speak my free mind and the ramification, if there's ramifications, it'll be dealt with communication wise.
Speaker 1:but it's on her to agree to it. One step is you saying, alright, go ahead, we gonna do the million and then 10 million, and then, and then the woman be like, nah, I ain't doing it, it's on the woman too. So if any guilt that you feel, the woman feel guilty too, like say, if I, I pose that to my woman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, so, yeah, so it's a um listen, it's a slippery slope, but all of this that was figurative, the meat and potatoes of this conversation was pretty much about trust, trust, trust is a major factor in a relationship and once again, you, everybody, has their perspective on it. What accepting that drink or not accepting that drink?
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But me personally. I think my level of trust is like I'm going to allow you your free will. I'm not going to taint your free will by imposing my sanctions on what you should do. It should be up to you. I'm not doing that because I don't believe there should be a restriction that I put on you. You are of your own free will and free mind and I should. I have to have acceptance for that, because I always say this and people be, and when I first said this to people they was like oh, that's crazy. That shouldn't be the case. If your woman kills you or your man kills you, unfortunately it's your fault why you shouldn't do better.
Speaker 2:No, you sort of there's flags. No, you don't this. Yes, there is. There's Monty.
Speaker 2:Every relationship we've been in where a woman or a man has acted in a crazy manner, a possessive manner. They've shown us that before it happened. And if not, we didn't do. And I'm not listen, I'm not here to condemn people that were killed by their mates, that's not what I'm here to say. But in most of those cases it was continued abuse. It wasn't just out of the blue, somebody was acting in a certain way, and it happened. Very rarely does somebody just wake up and say, okay, I'm just going to shoot this person. That's no.
Speaker 2:If that happens to us, we didn't interview properly. We didn't do the things necessary to weed out those type of individuals and brought them into our life. Listen, I'm here to say in my past, I've dated women that were abusive to me. A chick broke my phone, tried to slap, crash, maybe crash a car, all of this stuff. Now, some of those actions were prompted because of my actions, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:However, there's still a limitation. You still have to take accountability for how far you take things. When a relationship is toxic, right? However, I didn't interview, right. There's certain things that we need to do. When you see certain red flags, yo, if we go past those red flags and they always show them to us. But be like oh, we like the person. Or if early, for instance, you meet a girl years ago, I remember this happened to me years ago I met her. She called me like 12 times in one day, like six missed calls, boom. And I just happened not to have my phone so I was like yo. She called me 10 times. So I call her back like yo, what's up? I'm thinking something serious happened. She's like no, I was just trying to. I was trying, I ain't hear from you. I was trying to reach you. If you call me 12 times and I look past that, I'm supposed to be upset at myself right two months from now.
Speaker 1:You know you bug out you know, you know, you know what happened to me one time. One time is that I just early o'clock talking to this chick. Nothing happened, nothing happened. Then one day she just pop up at my crib. I'm like yo, what are you doing here? Sure, oh, I can't just come see you when I want to see you. I'm like, all right, I was like that definitely was a sign. And you know what another sign is where they live, you back where they live is a sign viewers parental discretion is devised, is advised at this time with this guy?
Speaker 2:that's crazy stuff, listen where they live.
Speaker 1:Man, it's the quality of life Dude no.
Speaker 2:The quality of life man? No. Maybe the household.
Speaker 1:Anything past Eastern Parkway that was his thing.
Speaker 2:Anything past Eastern Parkway she's no good, no way. And the funny thing is, for a little while he was right, I was like this is such a ridiculous thing, I can't sign on to this which. For years it was right, yeah, man. But now what you were saying was, I think, what you were saying in essence. I understood what you were saying then, but it wasn't the geographics, it was more of the challenges that go with people that are impoverished or that need Right, or that need right, and most of the time, unfortunately, those people deprived of certain things man one being fathers in the household, certain things that they were deprived of, and and it happens, you know, but geographically I don't think so I was younger, though I was in.
Speaker 1:I was in my 20s. Yeah, he was young.
Speaker 2:He was very young. But I used to tell you yo, it's not geographics, man, it's more like what they're surrounded by in their household. It has something to do with economics. People going through struggles is a different kind of thing. It's a different kind of animal.
Speaker 1:Definitely it's a different kind of animal. Man is a different kind of thing.
Speaker 2:It's a different kind of animal, definitely. It's a different kind of animal man but I mean this topic is a good one to have on another podcast, to have female panel members to discuss male-female relationships, platonic relationships and what's the benefit of it or the detriment? The benefit versus the? Or the detriment, the benefit versus the detriment. We all know what the detriment is, but in most cases it doesn't have to be that way.
Speaker 1:Yeah because it's an empowerment, empowering situation but your philosophy, the way you're looking at it, which I do understand you'd be like yo if it's going to happen, it's going to happen, no matter what it is. But then I'll look at it like this If you know better, you do better, because you know anything can happen. We know this. But then it's also about that's why they build cars a certain way, they build planes a certain way. Things can happen, but you fortify it, so things won't happen. That's how I look at life. You look at certain things. It's like all right, you can't fortify your mate, bro, it's too much.
Speaker 2:That's what I was saying, that's what I was bringing up. I'm saying, just like with you, we don't own someone's sexuality.
Speaker 1:No, we don't. And what?
Speaker 2:I mean by that is even if there's not a problem in a relationship, right, we've seen. You know, one of my guilty pleasures years ago was reading them crazy romance novels and stuff. That one was this right you used to read romance novels. Yeah, like crazy novels from Zayn and these dudes.
Speaker 1:You was reading novels?
Speaker 2:No, it was funny because I read this book Between Lovers. You was reading books. Yeah, I always read books. I read all kind of books, bro. When. All kind of books, what do you mean? You think I'm mute when you know what's a good book for you? Four Agreements, when, when you go-. I always read books, bro.
Speaker 1:I always read books. Why do you think I'm still?
Speaker 2:well-versed. You hear the way I speak? You do. It doesn't sound like I read books. You do.
Speaker 2:So one of my guilty pleasures was one of those saucy novels I used to read. A guilty pleasure was when I was working with these girls some years back. I grabbed one of their books. She was like yo, you got to read this excerpt. So I read the excerpt from the book and I'm like yo, this book is crazy. I picked up the book. I used to read it when I was riding the subway years ago. Between Two Lovers, this dude, he kept on trying to open his relationship. He wanted his woman to allow him the opportunity to have a threesome. So he kept opening it up. Opening it up. She agreed.
Speaker 1:What do you mean by opening it up, by presenting it to her?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So she agreed to it. She was like yeah, let's do it. So he met a chick Right and they got cool. They had the threesome. She took his woman. But I'm saying you're saying no, but see, that's a little bit different.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, he didn't want it to be fortified, right, but he also didn't do any. He didn't have. He didn't have a grip. Instead of him getting to understand if his woman ever was interested in women before, he believed that he was in control of the situation. He never even had a discussion really with her. This was about him, it wasn't about her Right. So the tables turned on him. I just brought that up to say you know, in certain circumstances he may have thought he was in control, but he wasn't.
Speaker 1:Right. So yeah, man, we had an interesting conversation here. Man, you definitely got to be a part two. Man, I want you to be a frequent flyer man.
Speaker 2:I'll come here, I'll come and blow it up Because we be having to think about this A lot of discussions we do have off and blow it up Because we be having to think about this a lot of discussions we do have off camera.
Speaker 1:We have a lot when we do speak. We don't speak as often as we should, but when we do have time.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. The thing is we have a colorful history. We have a lot of content just between him and I. Oh my goodness, we can't go into the stories because they'll be terrible.
Speaker 1:Oh man, you want to talk about one. We can talk about one. You talk about Q-Club, oh shoot.
Speaker 2:We got a lot of it. We got history man.
Speaker 1:We got history man. But yeah man. So listen, I hope you be a frequent flyer man and maybe, hey, if y'all like what he's saying, we could do a segment a month just talking about different, like current events you know talking about. He'll tell you the story. He went when he went to the Diddy party. He didn't really they didn't let me in.
Speaker 2:They didn't let me in. He signed the.
Speaker 1:NDA so you know, so we're going to get that story out of him. But yeah, no, I'm just joking. But so we're going to get that story out of him. But yeah, no, I'm just joking. But yeah, man, so, yeah.
Speaker 1:So usually we give our parting words, man, our parting words. Well, my parting words is like time waits for nobody, man. And we got to actually prepare, prepare for the future, you know, mentally and physically. And you got to really, really, really take heed to your health, man. We spoke about the losing, how this year alone was very, very, very devastating. We need to be mindful, man. If it's not for you, do it for your family, man, people around you love you. People around you love you. You know, maybe you can't see it, you can't see it, but trust me, man, the people do love you. People around you love you. You know, maybe you can't see it, you can't see it, but trust me, man, the people do love you. And you know, they say if you knew better, you'd do better man. So, yeah, people, be mindful man. Go see the doctor Colonoscopy, you don't got to be up to get one now.
Speaker 2:Yes, somebody might have to be up for some people to get one. Oh shoot.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't know. Oh my goodness, that was disgusting, I just caught it. I caught what you said. But yeah, so your closing statement bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just to piggyback on that. Man, just mind, body and soul is one one right. So your mind got to be in the right place, you got to make sure you take care of your body and, in turn, your soul will be intact. So, with that being said, mind, body and soul. Keep that in mind. Yes, peace and blessings for the new year yes, man, it's the, your opinion doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Podcast man and we are outie, peace, peace.